mr_trudo ([info]mr_trudo) wrote,
@ 2006-07-07 20:46:00
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How the opposition is really running the government

I am sure you have all heard it before; voting for the centrist Liberals instead of your favourite but third place party so they win the most number of seats, form the government and get the second best versions of policies you want in. But when it comes to making policy, often the amount of seats are meaningless. Instead, the opposition’s popular opinion and where it could be heading, even if from a second or third place party, can be the ones influencing policies the most. The governing party will react policy wise to win votes of the most successful opposition.

There are so many examples in Canadian politics. In the 60s, the NDP formed and was said to have the potential to dominate Canadian politics like the labour/social democrat movement did in all of Northern Europe. It never happened because the Liberals implemented NDP policies at the time, like higher social spending, universal healthcare and pensions, old age security, partial oil nationalization and more generous unemployment insurance, all within a few years. Once it appeared the NDP wasn’t taking off nationally to the public as the Liberal took all their policies, the Liberals then returned to the status quo until it moved left again in the late 80s/early 90s when the NDP was pulling ahead and the Tories behind in the polls. In 1995 while in power, the Liberals saw another new party, the Reform Party, take off. Like they did with the NDP, the Liberals didn’t want Reform to win an election and be established as a major political force so they started taking their policies of cuts to spending and taxation. After a major drop in the public opinion for the Alliance followed by the NDP doubling their support in 2003 from 8-9 to 16-18%, Paul Martin stopped talking about high taxes and spending cuts and instead campaigned on gay rights and universal childcare. This is a shinning example that the Liberals are really the moderated representation of the most successful opposition party present. Look at the growth of the Green Party and how most of the Liberal leadership candidates have windmills and the word “environment” front and centre of their campaigns websites. So wouldn’t it make sense to vote for the opposition party you want in order for them to be successful rather than the Liberals who pick up the policies of the most successful opposition party of recent. 

BC is another more extreme and more obvious example on a two party level. With the right wing Socred governments in the late 70s and 80s, many claimed it ran a policy to run just as left wing as possible in order to steal enough potential NDP votes to get safely reelected. Around 2000 and nearly a decade in power, the NDP was clearly losing to the Liberals so the NDP takes some of the Liberal tax cut policies. The Liberals still won a landslide election and made large tax and spending cuts only to have the NDP surge in polls afterwards. As a result, the BC Liberals increased some taxes and spending in order steal enough potential NDP votes to get safely re-elected.

In Nova Scotia, Tories cut taxes resulting to a reduction to a minority government next election from NDP support. The NDP continues to gain strength so the Tories made a large progressive tax increases to keep up with spending in order to narrowly get reelected again into government. 

In Ontario in the 70s and early 80s, Premier Bill Davis was seen as quite the Red Tory, often left of the Liberals. It was because he was smart enough to stay in power for that whole time by striking enough appeal to the left to keep the NDP and Liberals just barely out of reach of power.

It’s a shame too people don’t get it when politicians break promises because otherwise some politicians would be getting more credit than they deserve.




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How Canada's 4th place party will never win
(Anonymous)
2006-07-08 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Thats why people will always vote for the Liberals. The NDP has good policies but only a few can be applied nationally. The rest are very scary to the majority of Canadians. Though I would have to disagree with your summary execution of implying all policys the liberals have are taken from others. Their policies tend to favour both right and left ends of the spectrum. The fact that the conservatives won the last election after only becoming a party in 2004 in actuality, is a massive slap in the face for the NDP. Formed in the 1960's yet will never govern federally. Even after being scandal plagued and sent to the opposition, the Liberals still get triple the support that the NDP does. The conservative win shows that Canadians are fiscally conservative something the NDP is definitely not. Canadians are also progressive but will not elect a socialist party for that progression. We are socially progressive and fiscally conservative in Canada, and only the Liberal party covers those two off.

You give yourself way too much credit when you say that NDP policy gets stolen. Thats not so. If you start to post surpluses you will cut tax, just because the NDP may say that first doesn't mean the government wasn't already going to cut tax that seeing THEY were the government and knew much more about what was going on than opposition. The NDP is always that dog nipping at your heels reminding you not to forget the little amendment they got passed or the bone that was tossed to them by the government. Sad and a little pathetic.

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Re: How Canada's 4th place party will never win
[info]mr_trudo
2006-07-19 10:12 am UTC (link)
Canada has a left and right but it also has it's "niceness", meaning reaching a compromise between the two as to avoid conflict as much as possible. Conflict being the reason most people are in Canada in the first place. This examples the Liberal Party as an unsual centrist governing party as well as it's strong new Canadian and immigrant base.

The federal NDP seemed to take the equavalent of the British Liberals, never forming government in 45 years but being very influential in keeping the left up and the right down. They have had success provincially hold consecutive governments, official oppositions and balance of power on many occassions. Discounting the NDP would mean ignoring the effect that the Reform Party and the Bloc/PQ, which have and never will form in a federal governemnt, have had on Canada being massive 1990s tax cuts and a lack of federal energy and environment intervention for Reform and two soverignity referenums and it's prodominance often as a national issue for the Bloc. They are a force that competes with the Liberals in votes which would otherwise turn the Liberals more into the US political system of liberal versus conservative parties, two parties that seem completely foreign to the Canadian political landscape on so many issues despite our countries being so similar and beside each other.

As for Canada being very liberal in the European sense of the word, times change and so do countries. There was once a time when Europeans feld war and poverty to live in an equitable and peaceful America. How the tables have turned. In my lifetime (all 22 years), Latin America has gone from a failed statist development system, to a US-style free market, to now trying to model the European social democracy.

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